These are the words Rev. Sun Myung Moon spoke to Mr. Kamiyama on July 16, 2010 on a boat during a fishing trip in the United States. July 16, 2010
Rev. Sun Myung Moon [SMM]: Nobody but I, understands the internal situation. If you guys deal with situations on your own terms – the result will only stay in the horizontal realm. Everything must be connected to God. That's why everything must be connected to me. However, nobody wants to do so, for example Hyun Jin Nim. So far only Kook Jin Nim and Hyung Jin Nim are connected to me. Other people are outsiders – they can't go to the inner circle.I'm not stupid – I have been controlling the providence in the world the whole time. Without me there is no way that we can connect the two results. That's something that you have to make clear. Even if they solve problems selfishly by themselves – it doesn't connect to the future world. Absolutely not. Who is the leader? True Father or his children? Where did the Divine Principle come from? Not Hyun Jin, not Kook jin or Hyung Jin. Kamiyama! Don't lose focus! You feel sorry for people, a father or grandfather. You have done things that you think were right in God's providence. This is the result. We have a serious problem. There is no difference in meaning of serving Father now, or 30 years ago. Isn't that right? It doesn't matter, if I have become 80 or 90. They said, "Father became senile, therefore we need to make the right decisions.” They ignore me and claim that their decisions are better than mine. It's ridiculous! Don't you feel ashamed Kamiyama?
Mr. Kamiyama [K]: I wish Hyun Jin Nim could return to Father...
SMM: You should listen to what I said.
K: I'm hoping Hyun Jin Nim could come back to you.
SMM: Who is coming back where?
K: Hyun Jin Nim could return to Father...
SMM: He left a long time ago – many years ago.
K: Yes. If I can understand the standpoint…
SMM: Why? You don't stand in the position where you can understand my point of view. After spending many years in the church – you shouldn't follow another central figure. Is Father an immature person? Is he?
K: I'm working hard; wishing Hyun Jin Nim would return.
SMM: Wishing? Wishing? How many years have passed?
K: Well, it has...
SMM: It has been more than 10 years since they left. It's your immaturity.
K: Well, if I could understand that clearly...